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October 11, 2005

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Jamie Dawn

You've got a double post going on here. Check it out.

That's awful that people were stealing others' pets. Who knows where those dogs ended up? If they were just selling them, then maybe they came to no physical harm.

steelcowboy

Dogs are a lot like people; you get out of them what you put into them. There's good and bad, both.
Love works.

Mike

I agree w/ JD and Steel's comments. Stealing and mutilating pets is beyond cruel. All breeds have characteristics that they were bred for; but, more importantly, they are a reflection of their owners.

mom

I have friends who have pit bull and they are sweet dogs. Depends on who is raising them,I think. My sister once told me she would never have a collie around her children as they are vicious dogs. Our collie was the sweetest and beautiful dog. It is disgusting how sterotyping works.
That story about that poor dog makes me cry. Here an English Bull dog was stolen out of a man's truck right in front of him. Even a $10,000 dollar reward raised by the community failed to get him back. The penalty for dog fighting should be so severe it will at least cut back the fights. Big fines and 10 years in jail with no parole for promoting, allowing the fights, entering a fighting dog,or viewing a dog fight for each and every person.

Nils

I have to say I'm of two minds about this.

I'm a dog person, and I've met some lovely pit bulls just like Pandee Anna - goofy, sweet pups who come up to you and bonk you gently with those big, square heads, wanting nothing more than to be scratched behind the ears and prepared to lick you into submission. And it pains me to see them tarred with the same brush as those dogs who are neglected, or improperly bred or trained, or worst of all trained to conform to the stereotype of the vicious, unstable killer breed.

By the same token, have you ever read a story about a pit bull attack on a child that DIDN'T contain a sobbing protest from the owner that "... he's been such a wonderful, gentle family pet, so great with our kids. I just don't know how this could have happened ..."?

Over dozens of generations, unscrupulous breeders selected and encouraged certain characteristics in the pit bull breed that have made many - not ALL but MANY - of the dogs unstable and prone to unpredictable, lightning-swift, merciless attacks on other dogs and humans. Sometimes, wonderful, conscientious owners defeat those characteristics and what you end up with is a beautiful, loving family pet. But sadly, sometimes even the best owners have the ticking time bomb go off in their hands.

I hate breed bans. But more than that, I hate those familiar stories of a child disfigured or ripped to pieces by a dog who "... would never do something like that." And if it's a choice between ten thousand cuddly puppies and one child's life, I'll come down on the side of the child every time.

Pit bulls (and Rotties, and other so-called "dangerous" breeds) aren't the only dogs that bite. But the inbred instability and uniquely vicious nature of their attacks do make them a special risk.

In a way, I look on them the way I do handguns. You can use a handgun to shoot at targets, to plink away at varmints, to even hammer nails, for God's sake. But it was designed for a specific purpose: to kill human beings.

We can pretend that pit bulls were bred to be loveable companions, and some do end up as just that. But we all know what they've been genetically designed to do.

I'm not sure what the answer is. But as you wisely point out, exercising extra caution around pit bulls and other "dangerous" breeds is a start. And as vexing as stereotypes can be - in humans or in dogs - it's silly to dismiss the possibility that in this particular case at this particular time, a dog might live up to its reputation.

mom

I am afraid Nils is right. Too many stories of sudden attacks on children, adults and other animals by pit bulls. Very sad as there are a lot of innocent ones out there. There is a proposal to ban all pit bulls in Florida.

InterstellarLass

I adopted a puppy a year ago. She's lab mix. Didn't know with what, but she was adorable. As she got older, more and more people told me she looked like she had some pit in her. Looking at her, I see the squared off shoulders and the broad, flat forehead of a pit. She also has the beaver tail and webbed toes of a lab. And she loves and licks and plays. Breed bans make me angry because people blame the breed, not the owner. I've seen some little yippy dogs that scare me more and are more agressive than these 'dangerous' breeds. Sure there's the potential, but I think any dog has this potential.

Laura

Actually Nils, I've never heard of a pitbull story where the owner was surprised that his dog attacked a child and caused serious injury. In many of the stories I have read locally of pit bull attacks, the owners seemed to me to be uncaring and irresponsible.
I suppose there are people out there who do own these types of dogs and who would be surprised by their aggressive response, but I haven't yet heard of them.
The SPCA has dozens of these dogs up for adoption and their rules for adoption are stricter than for other breeds.

Pandee Anna wasn't a puppy, she was 4 years old when I first met her. Her owners had adopted her as a puppy. Very likely she was stolen in order to be thrown into a ring to other pit bulls in order to antagonize them into attacking. She was too passive to be a fighting dog. The more you read about these types of dog fights, the more it will churn your stomach.

I have no doubt of the danger these dogs pose when they attack a child or an adult.

But that wasn't the point of this post.

Jamie, thanks for the double post tip. I'm having a lot of trouble with typepad lately.

Steel, very true, love and disclipine!

Mike, (nod, nod). yes.

Mom, that is just plain sad about the English Bulldog. I agree very much about enacting a severe penalty on these dog fighters. It is hard to catch the people who do these things, but they are part of the whole cycle of violence and the problem with inbreeding.

idgie

One of my very old dogs had me cringing in terror and refusing to leave her in the yard years back - there was a rash of small dogs like her stolen for the dog rings as "bait". Horrid. I wouldn't even leave her in a car in case they broke a window and snatched her.

I didn't realize they took the larger dogs too.

That's so sad about Anna. I wish I too could have good memories of Pitt Bulls, unfortunately in our neighborhood whenever I or my hubby ran into one it was torn loose of a chain and always looked pissed off.

Hubby had to climb a tree once and another time one, clearly a stud, with a torn chain showed up in my front yard while I was gardening and stalked the boy and I until my huge dog, shivering in fear, threw herself in front of the dog so we could get in the house.

We made it but sadly I have never met one that didn't terrify me.

Still, there is no excuse whatsoever to steal someone's pet for that horrid "game".

Florida Cracker

Never trust a pit bull. They are a bad gene mix.

Nils

You're right ... I let the point of the post slip, and I'm sorry. It was a heartbreaking story. As I say, I've known some lovely pit bulls, truly adorable animals, and the thought of some low-life trailer trash profiting from the suffering of animals blinds me with rage.

I'm of the mind that there should be no fine for these guys. Just a gentle, eight foot drop into a pit with some of the animals they've trained. "Here you go, pal. See if you can spell "irony" before they get to your jugular."

Laura/kyahgirl

This post just makes me feel so sad, both for the way humans use and abuse dog traits, and for the fact that your animal can be stolen right from under your nose and subjected to the life of ultimate horror.
People ask why our yard is fenced and our gate is always locked?
It not just to keep our kids safe but our dog too.

mom

I like Nils idea about the pit drop. turnabout is fair play. But remember we can not abuse the civil rights of those @##$%% creatures that are so evil. I can not understand the evil thinking that allows those people to sponser, particpate in, or profit from the horrors of dog or rooster fights.

Sarah

Unfortunatly I have heard of pit owners saying they never thought their dog would bite anyone. Mostly this is a lie. They say this to avoid punishment for knowingly owning an agressive animal. Another point to look at is how many people can properly identify a pit bull? Not many at all. On top of that in order to prove that they a geneticaly prone to attack you'd have to find a group of closely related dogs that the majority of actualy are agressive or attack. This has not been the case, therfore that comment has already been disproven by science. The common thread here is the owners. If you take any breed of dog wrap its nose in bloodied rags, beat it, starve it, then feed it raw meat with gun powder, it or they will turn agressive towards humans and other animals. The same goes for keeping them chained or teathered most or all of the time with little or no human interaction. I also would suggest that everone do a little research before comenting on the breed. Yes they were bred for baiting bear and bull, hunting wild dog, rabits, rats, and also went to war with thier men from Rome to our own Civil war. Its not what you're thinking either, they didnt go out and eat the soilders from the other side. They searched out and found wounded and sat by their side as comfort as well as protection, delivered messages and even helped to track and capture a couple of spies. Upon return from the wars, they most often retuned to their normal position in life as farm and family dogs. Used for protecting the property, people and heard animals from preditors such as large wild cats, bear and wolf. One pit bull is even imortalized in bronze at one of the Gettiesburg monuments. Oh by the way, because of what they were bred for actualy makes them far less likely to bite out of fear or pain, and are quite patient with children almost to the point of saintly hood , as long as the dog was properly raised and trained to be gentle and watch where those feet and tails go, and also to mind their manners. Thank you all for taking time to read my opinion and I hope I have given you a better understanding of the real pit bull

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